The Hills Have Eyes

2007.05.13 by paulie

I give up. Can’t find the background info to put this in context on google. Maybe it will come out in the comments. If so I’ll update it up here. If the video at least works (didn’t yesterday, dunno why), I’ll leave it up, and let the story write itself interactively. And now, your moment of Zen:

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on 2007.05.13 at 07.14.41 pauliecannoli

I was told that Bill Redpath got both sides of the story before issuing the check.

This was a big controversy back when it happened, with allegations of voters tricked into registering Libertarian, and false SS numbers on forms.

However, I have so far been unable to find any trace of the story on the web.
on 2007.05.13 at 08.14.26 Joseph Knight

I can’t beleive the LNC paid Fincher after what he did to New Mexico. I’ll damn sure not waste any more money on the national LP.
on 2007.05.13 at 08.32.44 Gary

Mr. Knight is the one that screwed up that New Mexico drive, by wasting scarce party funds to funnel to an incompetent (obviously) STATIST, anti-libertarian “private investigator” that actually PROVED we did everything above-board. I also have a video (which I’ll post here soon) that shows us doing the job correctly. Mr. Redpath did the honorable thing by paying me, albeit my wife/business partner has passed away, in part due to the stress inflicted needlessly by Mr. Knight all those years ago. Mr. Redpath got both sides of the story, and found Mr. Fincher to be more credible than Mr. Knight, period. The work was performed, and performed honorably. Now, Mr. Knight should do the honorable thing and pay Mr. Fincher the INTEREST on that $679, out of his own pocket. Come on now, be honorable and pony up, Mr. Knight.
on 2007.05.13 at 08.47.49 Gary

This is from the “private investigator’s” report, from the county elections coordinator himself, who we pitched. Does this sound like we tricked him into registering Libertarian? This report proved my case, to those actually bright enough to read it and understand what it actually said:

Interview:
Robert Lucero
Bureau Of Elections Coordinator
Bernalillo County
505-768-4104

Mr Lucero stated that he had personally gone to the sight where the Finchers were registering voters and posed as a potential registrant.
Mr Lucero stated that he had asked the Finchers many questions concerning their efforts and received many answers he considered in violation of the election code.

Mr Lucero stated that he asked if they were only signing up “Libertarians” or could he sign up as a “Republican” to which he stated that Mr Fincher told him “that would defeat their purpose.”

Mr Lucero stated that he had contacted the District Attorneys office concerning possible violations of the Election Code and that they would be doing an investigation also.

Mr Lucero furnished me with (2) letters written in reference to the situation and they are included in this report.

Mr Lucero seemed a little hesitant to discuss an ongoing investigation with this investigator but did say that he had heard that they were ” also having problems with the Libertarian Party registration in Las Cruces.”
Investigative Report

January 7, 2000
on 2007.05.13 at 11.55.55 Andy

“Joseph Knight Says:

May 13th, 2007 at 8:14 am
I can’t beleive the LNC paid Fincher after what he did to New Mexico. I’ll damn sure not waste any more money on the national LP.”

I heard that Richard Winger said that the New Mexico Elections Office had to accept the voter registrations that were collected by the Fincher’s.

“Gary Says:

May 13th, 2007 at 8:32 am
Mr. Knight is the one that screwed up that New Mexico drive, by wasting scarce party funds to funnel to an incompetent (obviously) STATIST, anti-libertarian “private investigator” that actually PROVED we did everything above-board.”

Why was a private investigator hired? It seems to me that it wouldn’t have taken a Dick Tracey or Sherlock Homles to figure this one out. Couldn’t just about anybody have conducted this investigation? How much money was spent on the private investigator?
on 2007.05.13 at 16.46.14 Stuart Richards

There wasn’t enough drama mucking about, glad to see that got taken care of.
on 2007.05.13 at 19.04.11 Joseph Knight

LPNM hired the private investigator – who we hoped would give us some ammo to fight all the media allegations with. He is a man I’ve know nearly 50 years and is known to me to be a man of integrity. Unfortunately, he substantiated the allegations concerning voter fraud. He interviewd registrants selected at random from the forms Fincher turn in at Bernalillo County and the only one who didn’t claim to be tricked was a homeless man who was paid a few bucks to register. Hundreds and hudreds of Fincher registrants subsequently un-registered.

With regard to the Social Security numbers, Ron Crickenberger [RIP] came to New Mexico and examined the registration forms with the bogus numbers in the Secretary of State’s office. He reported to me a few days later at our state convention that he observed numerous ssns in the same handwriting which he believed to be Finchers. I assume he gave the same reporrt to Dasbach and others at LPHQ at the time. This is after I told Gary we could only pay for registrations that the SOS actually counted – he had been encouraging people to leave their ssns off the form so he could make an issue of it.

We went through an extended state-wide news media nightmare because of what Fincher did. I think you had to be here to apprciate the damage done.
on 2007.05.13 at 19.53.18 Gary

The “private investigator” report substantiated the fact that we were NOT tricking any voters, and no voters were tricked, as the county elections coordinator (see above) and then-state chairman Ron Bjornstad verified. As for what the voters (allegedly) said (this is specious at best due to the background of the so-called P.I. (former cop & judge, ’nuff said) and anyone can get anything with the right leading questions. The one who actually CAME TO our site (county elections coordinator Lucero) could not be led, ergo his account that we were insisting on registering people to vote Libertarian.

The contention that I encouraged anyone to leave off their SSNs on the form so that I “could make an issue of it” is pure fantasy, and indicative of the honesty/honor level Mr. Knight has generally displayed during his activism career. This is NOT what happened.

Therefore, any damage that actually occurred was the result of Mr. Knight’s ineptitude, a la wasting party funds to ask leading questions to voters to effect an intended outcome. If Mr. Knight had left well enough alone and not included a P.I. in the mix, the brouhaha would have blown over a heck of a lot quicker.

Anyone should feel free to ask Mr. Bjornstad or, for that matter, Mr. Lucero, again, as to what actually was witnessed as to our forthright pitch to registrants.

As for the “extended state-wide news media nightmare”, keep in mind that I know all too well about that: I was a victim of their smearing. Good reputations of my wife and me got tarnished for no good reason.

And sadly, I see no remorse on the part of Mr. Knight for this media rape.
on 2007.05.13 at 20.04.38 Andy

“The ‘private investigator’ report substantiated the fact that we were NOT tricking any voters, and no voters were tricked, as the county elections coordinator (see above) and then-state chairman Ron Bjornstad verified.”

What exactly did then-state chairman Ron Bjornstad verify and how did he go about making this verification?
on 2007.05.14 at 04.53.53 Roger Pope

Why does the Libertarian Party continue to hire slime like Gary Fincher? Why do they pay him on signatures he falsified by writing in fake ss #s? Why do they continue to hire him when he beats up on a young girl in the parking lot during a ballot drive and then runs away from the police after the manager of a MacDonalds calls 911? I’ve told everyone how he threatened to torture and kill my dog Heidi who never hurt anyone and how he abandoned his wife when he felt he couldn’t use her anymore and never paid his 1st wife child support based on his idea of libertarian principles. Gary Fincher is a psychopath plain and simple and the people who paid him should know that by now. Maybe they paid him for fear of what he might do to them if they did not give him what he wanted. If torturing animals, beating up on young girls,abandoning your wife,and refusing to support your children and falsifying records is what it means to be a libertarian then maybe I’m not a libertarian. Why would anyone in their right mind give him that check?
on 2007.05.14 at 06.47.31 Gary

I apologize, folks – I was under the impression that my starting the commentary on this thread would get the ball rolling on some provocative, engaging and thoughtful dialogue on a serious internal party issue.

(Sigh) I guess these political discussion forums also have as their byproduct of bringing out some of the more weird/bizzarre elements as well.
on 2007.05.14 at 07.23.31 pauliecannoli

The San Antonio State Hospital (SASH), is one of ten state mental health facilities within the Texas Department of State Health Services (DSHS) system. SASH provides intensive inpatient diagnostic, treatment, rehabilitative, and referral services for seriously mentally ill persons from South Texas regardless of their financial status. Admission, may be voluntary or involuntary depending on whether the patient is determined by a court to be seriously mentally ill, dangerous to self or others, or if left untreated would deteriorate to the point of becoming dangerous to self or others. SASH attempts to involve the patient’s family in the treatment/rehabilitation process to the degree legally and clinically feasible.

http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/mhhospitals/SanAntonioSH/default.shtm
on 2007.05.14 at 07.44.42 Cynthia

“Roger Pope Says:

May 14th, 2007 at 4:53 am
Why does the Libertarian Party continue to hire slime like Gary Fincher? Why do they pay him on signatures he falsified by writing in fake ss #s? Why do they continue to hire him when he beats up on a young girl in the parking lot during a ballot drive and then runs away from the police after the manager of a MacDonalds calls 911? I’ve told everyone how he threatened to torture and kill my dog Heidi who never hurt anyone and how he abandoned his wife when he felt he couldn’t use her anymore and never paid his 1st wife child support based on his idea of libertarian principles. Gary Fincher is a psychopath plain and simple and the people who paid him should know that by now. Maybe they paid him for fear of what he might do to them if they did not give him what he wanted. If torturing animals, beating up on young girls,abandoning your wife,and refusing to support your children and falsifying records is what it means to be a libertarian then maybe I’m not a libertarian. Why would anyone in their right mind give him that check?”

Hmmmmm, I wonder what the juicey details are with these allegations…
on 2007.05.14 at 08.49.21 Gary

former LPNM state chair Ron Bjornstad actually came to our site and, in stealth, witnessed us getting voters to register Libertarian at a K-mart in Albuquerque. Let’s watch:
on 2007.05.14 at 08.56.36 ElfNinosMom

Wow, those are some hellacious allegations against Fincher. Does anybody know whether there’s any truth in them? It strikes me as very odd that a grown man allegedly beat up on a young girl in a public place, but was not arrested for it. Does anybody have a link where we can read further on this guy’s allegations, since he states he has “told everyone”?
on 2007.05.14 at 09.01.09 Cynthia

Wow, after watching this video it looks like Mr. Knight owes Mr. Fincher an apology, at least when it comes to the charge of tricking voters.

Now be nice Mr. Knight!:)
on 2007.05.14 at 09.05.05 pauliecannoli

Roger is well known for exagerating, to put it mildly.
on 2007.05.14 at 09.33.06 Gary

Well, calm down, folks.

You know, I didn’t want to have to get into all this and dignify this insanity with a response, but it seems that there are rational folks on here who seem to want to know, so I’m just gonna set the record straight and then not gonna address it any more.

You have to consider the source, and consider the context here, when you consider that Mr. Pope & I were friends for many years and had a falling out about a year and a half ago. Since, he’s been behaving more like a jilted lover (we’re both striaight though, so no gay jokes please) than a mature adult moving on with his life.

Obviously, Mr. Pope knows a lot of things about my life & history. I don’t think personal dirty laundry should be aired on these political discussion groups, so I’ll be as concise as I can here.

Mr. Pope and I were teamed up on the 2004 LP ballot drives with a 20 yr old woman from Indiana. The three of us working together had bad dynamics, and turned out to be sort of dysfunctional. This woman did a lot of screaming and yelling, getting red in the face when she didn’t get her way, and as a result, she and I would get into a few inevitable loud verbal arguments. But there was no physical violence, and certainly no incident in which the police were called. In a Burger King parking lot in Maine, the manager asked us to leave the property after hearing our arguing, so that’s where the exaggerations pauliecannoli is referring to come in.

Mr. Pope knows full well that my wife left ME, not the other way around. On principle, I refused to pay the state any ransom (since it was not my idea to have my child kidnapped unilaterally by my first wife); instead, I chose to address the problem individually, in the libertarian fashion, and funnel money & material goods directly to my child whenever I had that opportunity. I even have audio of my second wife complaining over my directing too much of our earnings to my teenage daughter. (Does anyone want to hear that audio?)

No one wants to torture and kill anyone’s dog, and SSNs aren’t supposed to be, legally, used as a prerequisite for being eligible to express oneself at the ballot box. I think both Mr. Pope *and* Mr. Knight should know that.

That should be enough of these personal assaults on here, shouldn’t it?
on 2007.05.14 at 09.39.19 pauliecannoli

where’s Jerry Springer
when you need him?

Take care of yourself, and each other.

-Jerry
on 2007.05.14 at 10.15.53 Andy

“pauliecannoli Says:

May 14th, 2007 at 9:39 am
where’s Jerry Springer
when you need him?

Take care of yourself, and each other.

-Jerry”

Jerry! Jerry! Jerry! Or perhaps I should say Paulie! Paulie! Paulie!
on 2007.05.14 at 18.01.50 pauliecannoli

OK then, I’ll be Jerry. But only if I get to schtump Jaime Pressly. Anyway. Where’s Officer Steve?
on 2007.05.14 at 18.43.20 Joseph Knight

I, not Ron Bjornstad, was state chairman during the Fincher Voter registration scandal. I received hate mail from voters registered by the Finchers for years afterwards.

The number of voters claiming they were tricked are in the hundreds. The eveidence is overwhelming, not the least of which was the investigator’s report, which I stand by.

Believe what you will – there are still people who deny the holocaust too.
on 2007.05.14 at 18.55.44 Joseph Knight

Anybody who really thinks this video was “stealth” instead of staged, please contact me ASAP about a deal on some Florida real estate.
on 2007.05.14 at 19.32.35 pauliecannoli

I’ve watched another half hour of video from which that segment was pulled. It appears genuine, or else Gary must have paid a hell of a lot of actors. I don’t think he can afford to do that.

Also, I’ve registered well over a hundred voters a day for a political party (including a third party) many, many times. My high was over 250, and a girl working with me that day got about 350-400. It’s not that hard.

As for Florida real estate, I have a relative in the business. He has some deals that are just too good to refuse.
on 2007.05.15 at 06.50.41 Gary

No, Mr. Knight, the evidence is NOT “overwhelming” that we did any tricking of voters. Why are you totally disregarding the testimony from the ONE interviewee that could NOT be led into questioning, county elections coordinator Robert Lucero? This testimony reflects accurately the way we did our pitch. Call it illegal if you want that we did too much of a “hard sell” in trying to convince people to register Libertarian but as I saw it, that was our job, to get only Libertarian registrations, and not Republican and Democrat, as Mr. Pearson would have preferred we get in the mix.

I have never appreciated being accused of something that I did not in fact do. I didn’t appreciate a slippery so-called P.I. gettng answers that he wanted by asking leading Bjornstad, who were there with us, corroborated this, and even Mr. Dasbach and Mr. Crickenberger thought that the “tricking” allegations were BS. And ultimately, so did Mr. Redpath.

I think, with my finally receiving the long overdue pay for that drive, the case can now be closed.
on 2007.05.15 at 06.56.50 Gary

BTW, the video is real, and was taken on or about Dec, 30, 1999, while we worked an Albuquerque K-mart and Wal Mart.

I also stand corrected that Mr. Knight, and not Mr. Bjornstad, was state chair during that time; I misspoke.
on 2007.05.15 at 07.23.00 Gary

“Mr Lucero seemed a little hesitant to discuss an ongoing investigation with this investigator but did say that he had heard that they were ” also having problems with the Libertarian Party registration in Las Cruces.”

Mr. Knight has never given a satisfactory answer as to what happened with the similar allegations in Las Cruces, and as to why the P.I. focused on registrations in Albuquerque, and not at all in Las Cruces.

We didn’t work in Las Cruces.
on 2007.05.15 at 07.44.23 Tom Gellhaus

Okay, guys. I don’t live in NM and do not know any of the particulars in this case. I have no opinion on it because I do not know any details. The first video, put up by pauliecannoli, is so brief that there is no context at all.

With all due respect to those involved, why is this being discussed on LFV? It seems an internal matter from 7 years ago, if the comments are anything to go by. I do NOT care about the sordid details, but just do not know why this whole mess is on display. Why now ?

As someone from New York, a libertarian for over 20 years who has only for the briefest time been involved in LP affairs, and that for a VERY short time (back in ’94) I just don’t get it.
on 2007.05.15 at 08.41.12 Gary

Tom, I have also circulated LP petitions in New York, three different election years.
on 2007.05.15 at 08.50.39 pauliecannoli

It’s up because Gary just now got paid, and I have been asked to post it in a public place. It was also a big controversy at the time.

If it does not interest you, there are plenty of other threads (400+ others in fact) to choose from. Take your pick.

Apparently it does interest some people as there are now about 30 comments.
on 2007.05.15 at 09.28.26 Tom Gellhaus

All right paulie, I think I understand better now. At least partially.
on 2007.05.15 at 12.09.18 pauliecannoli

That’s all well and good. But I still want to know where Officer Steve is.
on 2007.05.15 at 14.28.30 Bob Ziesmer

To All:

What we are seeing is a lot of ” he said, she said” and muckraking.

I will state what I know.

I did NOT personally witness any of the petition activities of Mr. Fincher being discussed.

I don’t personally know Mr. Fincher, so I can not comment on his character.

But I do know Joseph Knight.

Mr. Knight does everything in his power to promote the Libertarian Party, and has done so for many years. I have never known him to act in any manner to hurt the Party.

I do know that the situation being discussed became a media “item”, and resulted in bad press for the Libertarian Party, which Mr. Knight and the State Central Committee had to respond to and contain with minimal resources.

And finally, I know that I hoped to forget this event, if possible, and never hear of it again.
on 2007.05.15 at 15.09.42 Gary

Actually, my wife and I were keenly aware of the fight the State of New Mexico picked with us Libertarians, and were trying to everything in OUR power to fight back, contain and ameliorate the situation (given our constraints of being out-of-staters). Instead of fighting the State with all his fury, Mr. Knight chose to go after his fellow Libertarians, so it’s still true that he HAS done something to hurt individual Libertarians.

My wife and I did not ask for this fight, and we were bending over backwards to try to see that the drive was successful. In other words, the last thing we wanted was for the drive to be unsuccessful.

As for damage control/containment, we actually offered to take one very important step in that direction, which was march down to KOB-TV studios and sit down with the news department and set the record straight, and let them see that we were cooperative and not heinous criminals. However, Mr. Knight ACTUALLY DISCOURAGED US FROM DOING SO, a move that speaks volumes to me to this day as to his motivations at the time for REALLY wishing to ameliorate the situation. Later, he editorialized as to why we didn’t make ourselves available to the press to try to show cooperation!

Also, spending $750 of scarce party funds on hiring a private investigator, when it was not necessary to do so (Mr. Bjornstad had already vouched for the integrity of our pitch to voters), can be construed as something that hurt the party. Had the roles been reversed, I would not have authorized party funds to “investigate” Mr. Knight; instead, I would have given a fellow Libertarian the benefit of the doubt in the face of a dirty, vindictive, fraudulent State – and fought them with all the resources at my disposal…including that $750. Since when do you NOT give fellow Libertarians the benefit of any doubt, and instead side with the State rather than fight them, when they are out to destroy the party?
on 2007.05.16 at 00.56.19 Andy

“Also, spending $750 of scarce party funds on hiring a private investigator, when it was not necessary to do so (Mr. Bjornstad had already vouched for the integrity of our pitch to voters), can be construed as something that hurt the party. Had the roles been reversed, I would not have authorized party funds to “investigate” Mr. Knight; instead, I would have given a fellow Libertarian the benefit of the doubt in the face of a dirty, vindictive, fraudulent State – and fought them with all the resources at my disposal…including that $750.”

Why did Mr. Knight spend $750 of party money to hire a private investigator? This was not a very difficult investigation to do. I’d be willing to bet that almost anyone could have done it as it didn’t require any special skill. If Mr. Knight had wanted to investigate the Fincher’s couldn’t he have done it without spending $750? What was wrong with the investigation done by Mr. Bjornstad
on 2007.05.16 at 12.44.37 Joseph Knight

Andy, we had a ton of info posted about this on our web site for years (no longer available because we have a new webmaster) that would have given you more perspective. Hardcopy of some of that info was sent to some folks who I know visit here so maybe somebody will step up to verify what I’m saying. To answer your questions:

I did not spend the money arbitrarily – our central committee appropriated the funds. We wanted sombody with credibility, not a member of the party, to find out what happened, and that’s what we got.

Ron Bjornstad was assigned to see that the Finchers’ side of the story got told – a job he did well because he actually beleived in the Finchers’ side of the story. However, NOBODY else on our CenCom at the time did, especially after we got our own invesigator’s report.

There was actually one faction that was down on me because they wanted me to go after the Finchers legally, but we had bigger fish to fry – we were fighting for our very existence and trying to salvage our drive for major-party status. The State was using the Finchers as an excuse to challenge ALL new Libertarian registrations. We went to court and in a rare victory, the court ruled that the state had to accept all voter registrations unless there was a specific reason to believe a specific registration was faulty. By that time we had already lost hundreds and hundreds of the people registered by the Finchers.

Despite what Fincher claims, we asked him to come back to New Mexico and face these charges but he refused.
on 2007.05.16 at 14.10.39 Gary

“I did not spend the money arbitrarily – our central committee appropriated the funds. We wanted sombody with credibility, not a member of the party, to find out what happened, and that’s what we got.”

No, that’s NOT what you got, as evidenced by all the erroneous stuff on the report, aside from Mr. Lucero’s claim. If Mr. Pearson had been a credible and/or conscientious invesitator, he would have done a REAL investigation, i.e., visited our work location and watched in stealth as we worked. This would have avoided a lot of heartache on a lot of folks. But that’s presupposing that not only he be credible and conscientious, but also honest, which he obviously wasn’t. Why the delusional Knight chooses to believe hearsay over the people who were actually present and watched us work defies credence. Mr. Knight, how come NO ONE that witnessed us work – not Mr. Bjornstad, not Mr. Lucero, not Mr. Morrison, not Ms. Graham, EVER even came CLOSE to even IMPLYING that we tricked anyone? The answer is because we didn’t. It’s amazing how many times you have to be demonstrated that, without “getting it”.

“Despite what Fincher claims, we asked him to come back to New Mexico and face these charges but he refused.”

I was actually in the throes of a medical crisis in Indiana when asked to return to New Mexico and do something which I already offered to do while in the state (but was discouraged by Mr. Knight)…and Mr. Knight knows this. Thus characterizing it as a “refusal” to come [back] to New Mexico is not exactly being forthright and honest. So, who’s being misleading here? I don’t like liars and have little tolerance for them.
on 2007.05.16 at 22.42.43 Gary

“There was actually one faction that was down on me because they wanted me to go after the Finchers legally,”

LMAO, go after us for WHAT? Actually, if anyone should have been “gone after” legally, it should have been Mr. Pearson, for slander, and defamation of character, with Mr. Knight as an accomplice.

On the other hand, we didn’t break any laws, even by fiat governmental standards. Had there been any evidence at all, even one shred, you can damn well bet we would have been charged with probably an array of things. What Mr. Knight does not understand is that the proof is in the pudding: the fact that the State did not even file one single charge against us was no accident, and was a result of that they had nothing on us. The tricking allegations were politically motivated, a smokescreen, but had no legal basis. Does Mr. Knight think that the State of New Mexico, the same state that arrested us for trying to peacefully vote at a polling place, just decided to be “benevolent” to us this one time and give us a pass and not charge us out of the kindness of their heart? Of course not. That’s absurd. The State, even if Mr. Knight doesn’t, understands that we didn’t in fact engage in anything deceptive. We did our jobs, and look at the thanks we got from our supposed compadres for it!

Sick.
on 2007.05.24 at 01.07.23 Dodger Dope

As for what paulie said about my exagerations, there are lies and there are exagerations, and there is a lot more to tell about Garys character. What is paulie’s name? There are those who question my character. I hate to admit it after all my exaggerations, but it was I, not Gary, who pushed Crystal down and kicked her relentlessly until the police arrived. Does anyone else believe that torturing of animals is ok? Anyway poor Kay told me she tried to console Gary after being accused of falsifying the documents that belonged to them. Please don’t force my hand, unless I run out of my medication. There is still Gary’s and paulie’s side of the story to tell but all I told is my side.
on 2007.05.24 at 01.13.28 Dodger Dope

The police, and Big Brother, are watching my dog, and are watching Gary and U too, paulie. Because it’s a police state and I do my part to erect it; some things are so bad that the police state is justified.
on 2007.05.24 at 01.41.40 Dodger Dope

Gary Fincher is capable of almost anything. I laughingly told him Crickenberger died and Gary was blamed for not agreeing. He is my master. Let’s twist the truth. Can anyone brag about torturing animals? My best friend Utahboy Larsen is now up on charges for child molestation! He prays for young girls and even tried to put a dick up his dead wife. My daughter’s friends were part of his dead wife’s menage a trois at the funeral home. Now apparently he has picked on paulie who won’t publish my autobiography, Mein Kampf. The libertarian party is going to be firing him? Is he a black male?
on 2007.05.25 at 11.23.32 Gary

Pope, I told you a long time ago nt to contact me or address me ever again. In the real world, doing so anyway is considered stalking and harassment, and spreading known false statements is considered slander. Do you understand the repercussions of engaging in such activity? How much do you understand?
on 2007.05.25 at 11.24.54 Gary

This Roger Pope is starting to sound more and more looney with each comment posted. Unbelievable.
on 2010.07.23 at 03.29.30 Jake Witmer

This is a long post. It contains a long, somewhat philosophical investigation into the truth of the matter above. I generally side with Fincher above, although I disagree with him about many other things, and don’t particularly like him.

It is interesting that after all these years, most Libertarians still don’t understand what is necessary to place the LP on the ballot. I think it would greatly help the LP if that situation were rectified.

Every single controversy on this board is the result of a failure to comprehend the nature of political movement-building. Most of that failure is on Joe Knight’s part. Do I believe that Joe Knight is a well-meaning libertarian? Yes (to a point). Do I believe that he is even marginally aware of what constitutes a successful voter registration drive that doesn’t have the money to recruit ONLY actual libertarians? No, he has absolutely no conception of this, whatsoever.

If only people who placed into the “libertarian” quadrant of the Nolan chart were registered as “Libertarians”, it might be possible to register 1-10 per day, or 25-50 per day in a very libertarian area (perhaps a rural area where local famers were denied water rights by the federal government, and where was a highly-despised raid on an upstanding member of the community by the BATFE). So, most people Gary registered were in no way libertarian, or were only libertarian in a few small subject areas. This goes without saying for anyone who knows anything about the collective nature of political organization, and the US education system.

Gary’s pitch was something similar to this: “Hi pardon me, could you help me out with a quick registration to place the Libertarian Party on the ballot?” —response— “We need to collect a certain number of registrations in order to put the Libertarian Party back on the ballot.” —response—

Now then, understand this: Most people don’t care much about individual freedom. It is not the job of the voter-registrar to make mice into lions. It is the job of the voter registrar to get the mice to eat the cheese. In this analogy, the first is impossible, the latter is possible. It is the job of the LP registrar to save ballot access for the Libertarian Party by getting people to agree in public to be registered as Libertarian, –to fill out a registration form– in order to “help keep a third party choice on the ballot”.

Most people don’t register Libertarian because they were already philosophically libertarian, and just didn’t know the name of the party. Similarly, most people don’t register Libertarian because someone suddenly taught them the complete contents of Harry Browne’s “Why Government Doesn’t Work” or Hayek’s “The Road to Serfdom”.

Most people are “libertarian” on one or two issues. Some of these people are “single issue voters”, and will switch to Libertarian for the reason of advancing their “hot button issue” or “finding someone who seems nice who agrees with their hot-button issue”.

But —by far— most voters are convinced to fill out most of a voter registration form to allow another choice on the ballot for a few of the following reasons:
1) They don’t really like the major party choices, and they were asked to switch
2) They would like another choice on the ballot, and they were asked to switch
3) They are told that they can switch back after the election
4) They don’t care what they’re registered as, and they were asked to switch
5) They are told that they are a libertarian based on answers to general questions (and in fact, were they to be consistent, those answers would make them generally libertarian. Of course, many of these people are the people who want “less government” while still wanting a “war on (some) drugs”. In short, they are 100% philosophically-self-contradicting.) + they were asked to switch
6) A tiny minority of people hear what someone like Fincher or another voter registrar has to say, and they ask more detailed questions. They agree with ending the drug war, agree with legalizing machine guns, agree with the gold standard, etc… Then they say “I agree with everything you just said! Sign me up! I am a libertarian! Can I pay to join the party right here? Where do you guys have your townhall meetings?” These people really want what the LP is offering, and they switched gladly and with good knowledge of what they were doing.

Now then, #5 above allows for easily-manufacturable controversy.

You see, after some unphilosophical Reagan-voter registers as Libertarian, for reasons #1 and #2 and #5, he walks away thinking he did something good, but it wouldn’t take much to convince him otherwise, and create “buyer’s remorse”. And noone likes to blame themselves for “buyer’s remorse”! Better to blame the damned salesman!

Fincher had registered hundreds of such people, and this alarmed the authoritarian police state, because REGISTRATION NUMBERS TEND TO PRECEDE INCREASING VOTE TOTALS SINCE PEOPLE TEND TO VOTE 71% OF THE TIME WITH THE WAY THEY ARE REGISTERED.

This showed the NM police state that the Libertarians were engaging in effective political organization, OR, that they were _possibly_ engaging in effective political organization. In fact, if the Libertarians continued registering new members at the same rate, they could build a large movement by running into the actual philosophical libertarians (#6 above) and uniting them all together into a cohesive movement with thousands of passive members, and hundreds of active members. And, thinking that the NM LP might have the money to do that, the authoritarians in the NM division of elections decided to retaliate against them, before such numbers could be built up. (Voter registration is a winning political strategy, as is the counter-strategy of preventing it. This is evidenced by the state’s manipulation of Joe Knight against the electoral Libertarian movement. The police state is vastly, hugely, immensely more aware of viable political strategy than most Libertarians are. Knight made it easy for them to destroy the NM LP, in short because he “didn’t get the memo” from National. Knight seemingly thought that every person Fincher was registering fell into category #6 above. The National LP really needs to brief state chairs better, in the future, and eliminate the chance of conflict between the state parties and experienced political workers/manipulators.)

So, guess what happens when state workers (exclusively comprised of authoritarians in the major parties) call up people who registered Libertarian because they “believe in limited government” and “want another choice on the ballot”, and ask them “Did you really intend to join this political party that wants to legalize abortion and heroin?”

THEY ANSWER “NO”. THEY HAVE HEART ATTACKS. THEY SAY “I WAS TRICKED!” (Even though nothing could be further from the truth.) THEY CALL UP JOE KNIGHT AND CUSS HIS MOTHER’S NAME. And poor, poor Joe Knight has to listen to that, and be mentally strong enough to comprehend that he is the victim of an authoritarian hatchet job run by the state division of elections which is being manipulated by a few of the partisan hacks who work there. Moreover, he has to stand up for his ballot access worker, and point out that the major parties offer something grossly different than the generalities that they offer as well, and that anyone can be tricked into having “buyer’s remorse”. He has to state a few points mentioned in this article, and point out that every single person was told that they were “registering Libertarian”, or filling out a new “registration form”.

(The above all-caps portions are for the anti-strategy, “ivory-tower” Konkinist libertarians that George Washington would have had to put out of their misery, had they been enlisted to fight in the Revolutionary war on the side of the colonists. Some people simply don’t have the stomach for a war of ideas populated by the tragedy of the uninformed masses. For those people, resigning themselves to tyranny is a safer bet, since they also lack the courage to engage in violence against the state.)

Now then, had Joe Knight done his job prior to Fincher’s arrival, as if his freedom depended on it, Fincher could have been more detailed in his descriptions of Libertarianism, and been met with more than (most of) the blank stares he was met with. Had Knight kept the NM LP in the media, and challenged the drug war face-to-face, and been willing to walk door-to-door for libertarian candidates, the public might have known something about Libertarianism. Had this happened, the newly-registered “Libertarians” might not have been shocked when the nice young private investigator asked them in a gentle tone of voice (after scandalous front-page news stories along the calm and sedate lines of “LIBERTARIAN VOTER REGISTRARS SCAMMING PUBLIC!”): “Ma’am, do you think those people tricked you into registering Libertarian?”

It’s easy for someone who wants to be lied to (ie: A “Reagan Republican” supporter of “small government” who simultaneously “strongly believes in both property rights AND the drug war”.) to say “Yes, I was tricked by those terrible people.” In fact, given this situation, with a Democrat or Republican voter registrar, I could stand next to such a registrar and convince most people not to register with them, simply by raising doubts in their mind, EVEN IF THAT’S THE PARTY THEY INITIALLY SAID THEY WANTED TO BE REGISTERED WITH, AND WERE HAPPILY FILLING OUT THE FORM FOR.

For instance, I could say “This guy wants to put you in the Republican(Democratic) Party database, where you will stay for all time! They never take you out! In the future, if the Democrats(Republicans) create a dictatorship, they will be able to sieze all of your information!”

Another example: “The Democrats are in favor of abortion! Here in this county, they supported a measure to reduce prison sentences of people who sold drugs in school yards! Did you really mean to register as a Democrat, or did they trick you?” Etc…

The reason this is so easy, is because most US voters
do not have a consistent political philosophy of any kind. They have a grab-bag of self-contradictory opinions on individual issues that changes with the prevailing opinion.

So the state’s hatchet-men wanted to prevent the Libertarian Party from continuing to register large numbers of new Libertarians, because Gary and Kay had been shockingly effective.

Instead of defending Gary Fincher, and loving how effective he was, Joe Knight threw him to the wolves when the state turned up the pressure.

AND THIS HAPPENS EVERY SINGLE TIME THE LP DOES SOMETHING EFFECTIVE OR INTELLIGENT.

WHEN WE DO STUPID, POINTLESS, INEFFECTIVE THINGS, THE STATE IS FRIENDLY TO US, BECAUSE WE POSE NO THREAT TO THEM. IN FACT, OUR LOW SUPPORT LEVELS ENCOURAGE THE THOUGHT THAT FREEDOM IS IMPOTENT AT ORGANIZING AGAINST THE STATE. THIS IS WHY SAMUEL KONKIN WROTE THAT IT WAS “IMPOSSIBLE” FOR THE LP TO ACHIEVE SUCCESS, BECAUSE “THEY HAVEN’T DONE IT IN 30 YEARS”. (A circular argument.)

Do you see how this argument created self-fulfilling prophecy? Do you see how Gary Fincher –at that time– was one of the best tools the LP had at its disposal? Gary represented another day of LIFE for the NM LP. Instead of defending him, the NM LP threw him to the wolves. Instead of even partly-defending him, they chose to rip him off, and attempt to withold payment from him.

And the worst trick of all that they played on him: Telling him when he arrived that SSNs were “optional” and then reversing that decision halfway through, and claiming that they wouldn’t pay him for any forms that didn’t have the SSNs on them.

That was FRAUD. Moreover, it is fraud perpetrated against a traveling LP activist, who made so little money that he could not fulfill his basic financial obligations. As the major parties have paid hundreds of thousands to their activists, and the LP has paid vastly larger sums to Scott Kohlhaas, “the man who cannot be fired for any infraction, no matter how large”, Fincher and his wife (who had cancer at the time) were forced to go hungry!

And let’s say that this wasn’t true (it is true, but let’s say I was wrong, and only the public perception of what I said was true): it would legitimize leftist claims that the LP is comprised mostly of rich assholes who don’t care about the poor, not even the poor who dedicatedly support their agenda. (A huge incentive to not get involved!: after all, unless you’re also rich, a party willing to throw its workers to the state for punishment is something to avoid like the plague). And this was the implicit message to come out of the Newspaper headlines about Gary Fincher and the NM LP: “Don’t get involved, these people are scam artists!” (Or, if they’re not scam artists, don’t get involved, because they’ll hand you over to the state if you believe in freedom enough to work for them, …just like the Militia of Montana.)”

I personally believe that Joe Knight is a Konkinist. (He has commented on message boards populated by the toxic do-nothing, naive, “pro-violent-rebellion-replacement-of-elections”, philosophy of Konkinism.) Samuel Konkin was a libertarian anarchist who believed that all libertarians should oppose participation in electoral politics out of principle. (As opposed to an incrementalist libertarian anarchist like Murray N. Rothbard, who destroyed Konkin’s arguments, and argued that libertarians should participate in elections.) If this is true, and Knight was/is a Konkinist, then Joe was likely acting purposefully to destroy the NM LP at the time of this controversy. Konkin stated that he himself was “the worst enemy the Libertarian Party ever had”. I somewhat agree, even though I support the theory of counter-system-economics, and a few of his other ideas, I disagree that they necessarily must exclude elections.

The fact that Gary Fincher was defrauded by the LP NM’s actions was and remains a disgusting black eye on the face of The Libertarian Party.

In Joe Knight’s partial defense: I think Gary Fincher is a moocher. I personally don’t like being around him. He always needs something and he plays on people’s sympathy to get it. (That’s part of what made him a good petitioner. He is highly-in tune with people’s sympathies.) He also borrowed $8,000+ (motels, travel, car repairs) from Andy Jacobs when he was blacklisted by the LP (2007-2010), and now states that he has no intention of returning the money because of a dispute with Andy that has ended their friendship.

He’s an easy person to mistrust, especially when he’s trying to get something out of you by playing on your sympathies.

…But that’s not relevant to this story. This story above stands on its own. The facts of the time exonerate Fincher (in this case). This story is a great example of the fact that there are no checks or balances preventing the National LP from destroying the reputations of people who have worked for it seasonally for several election cycles. And, if the LP destroys the careers of the people who work for it, those workers are incentivized to take their skills to other opportunities, which lays them open to repeating their mistakes.

Would Fincher have developed such bad personality traits, and decided not to pay back Andy had he not been blacklisted in 2008 by Scott Kohlhaas and Kohlhaas’s underling (but titled “boss”, the naive “Political Director” Sean Haugh), with the help of Joe Knight? What if Fincher had not been abandoned by his political party?

I know more about this subject than most people do. A comma being off here or there doesn’t in any way effect the material practices and principles involved. …But only detailed questioning can reveal “most of the truth” (the “whole truth” is forever as hidden as internal motivations are hidden, and saboteurs never reveal their motives).

If the LP wants to grow and flourish, it will need to develop an intelligent protocol for dealing with its activist workers (petitioners and voter registrars). It will need to assume good conduct in the absence of contrary evidence. In fact, it should follow a “common law” protocol, replete with transparent jury trials that are documented, and open to appeal. If this opens us to statist scrutiny, then so be it: it has been proven necessary, since noone can currently get a fair hearing from the existing LP structure, and connected people have been elevated “above the law”.

This is especially true after regime changes.

We also shouldn’t assume that our party has successfully avoided infiltration.

These facts have not been gone over in an impartial way by the new chairman (I know this because neither I nor any of my friends have been contacted about it. This is not Mark Hinkle’s fault: he doesn’t know us very well). In fact, the institutional memory of the LP is so weak that it can’t properly even be said to exist. Where there should be documentation, there is “whispering in ears” (Most likely, whispering in ears by the people most likely to be tapping all of our phones). This makes us weak and open to attack from the D&R incumbent party.

And that assumes that the incumbent power structure can’t tap our phones at will, which I personally think is a foolhardy belief.

I really hope this post opens people’s eyes a little bit. Sure, I’ve left myself wide open to attack from the Konkinists here, because I’ve showed how ugly electoral politics is, and how many obstacles there are to overcome within it.

But what I didn’t mention, or mentioned only in passing, was that the alternative is violent rebellion against a powerful police state, which is a terrifying possibility. In fact, there is not a single serious person in the Libertarian Party who believes that bloody rebellion is a better thing than participating in elections. And if that doesn’t stop the Konkinist followers from bleating about “the violence inherent in the system” then, so be it. I don’t have time to repeat Rothbard’s arguments against Konkin here, but I generally agree with them.

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Independent Political Report: Third Party News
- Party for Socialism and Liberation: Manteca, CA, action marks second anniversary of police killing 2013.06.20 Krzysztof Lesiak
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- German Green Party Leader on Turkey Riots: “It was like a war” 2013.06.19 Krzysztof Lesiak
- Independent American Party To Host Summit 2013.06.19 Krzysztof Lesiak
- Green Shadow Cabinet: Why the TPP is bad for business, human rights, trade policy, and your sense of humor 2013.06.19 Krzysztof Lesiak
- Libertarian candidate for Detroit City Clerk Scotty Boman Sounds off on Mayoral Candidate’s Removal from Ballot 2013.06.19 Krzysztof Lesiak
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Rational Review » RRND News
- RRND/FND 4th Quarter Fundraiser Update, 12/17 2010.12.17 Thomas L. Knapp
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- Ron Paul: Fed monopoly broken if Americans use metals as currency 2010.12.17 Steve Trinward
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- CA: 34 white supremacists arrested in Orange County 2010.12.17 R. Lee Wrights
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- IRS audits up 11% as wealthiest targeted 2010.12.17 R. Lee Wrights
- Australian PM: WikiLeaks has not broken law 2010.12.17 R. Lee Wrights
- Reid abandons omnibus bill amid GOP opposition 2010.12.17 R. Lee Wrights
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Center for a Stateless Society
- Edward Snowden and the Wolf Who Cried Plant 2013.06.19 Thomas L. Knapp
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Antiwar.com Blog
- Reminder: Petition to Pardon Snowden 2013.06.20 Jason Ditz
- Oklahoma Republican Lawmaker Organizes Antiwar Rally at State Capitol 2013.06.19 Eric Garris
- Michael Hastings, Truthteller, Dead at 33 2013.06.19 Kelley Beaucar Vlahos
- Butcher of Belgrade Offers Tips for Peace in Syria 2013.06.18 James Bovard
- From Afghanistan, Thank You Bradley Manning! 2013.06.18 Kathy Kelly
- US Military Can Keep Subsidizing NASCAR 2013.06.15 Jason Ditz
- Data Hungry: Surveillance Is Never Enough 2013.06.14 Jason Ditz
- CNAS National Security Hive on Syria: “Meh” 2013.06.12 Kelley Beaucar Vlahos
- Sign the Petition to Free Bradley Manning 2013.06.12 Jason Ditz
- A Slice of the Anti-war/Syria position in NYC 2013.06.11 Kelley Beaucar Vlahos
Antiwar.com Original
- Fidelity to the Constitution When We Need It 2013.06.20 Andrew P. Napolitano
- Understanding the Latest Leaks Is Understanding the Rise of a New Fascism 2013.06.20 John Pilger
- Rand Paul, Defender of the Faith 2013.06.20 Philip Giraldi
- 21 Iraqis Killed Ahead of Provincial Elections 2013.06.20 Margaret Griffis
- Down the Slippery Slope in Syria 2013.06.19 Ivan Eland
- The U.S. Military and the Unraveling of Africa 2013.06.19 Tom Engelhardt
- Edward Snowden vs. the Sovietization of America 2013.06.19 Justin Raimondo
- Baghdad Rattled by Blasts: 43 Killed Across Iraq 2013.06.19 Margaret Griffis
- How Booz Allen Made the Revolving Door Redundant 2013.06.18 Pratap Chatterjee
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Just a Girl in short shorts talking about whatever
- Au Revoir 2009.07.21 Becky C.
- End of Becky's Blog--the stupid people win 2009.07.15 Becky C.
- The Libertarian Case For Judicial Activism 2009.07.14 Becky C.
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- Social Security Administrators' $700,000 Party 2009.07.11 Becky C.
- Beware of Googlers Bearing Gifts 2009.07.10 Becky C.
- Invasion of Obama Medical Privacy Snatchers 2009.07.08 Becky C.
- Greening Up the World's Sex Life 2009.07.07 Becky C.
- The Victimization of Sarah Palin 2009.07.05 Becky C.
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- Honduras Hopes Obama Butts Out 2009.07.03 Becky C.
- The Dumbing Down of America 2009.07.02 Becky C.
- A Thumbs Up For OfficeMax 2009.07.01 Becky C.
- Constitutional coup d'état in Honduras 2009.06.30 Becky C.
- The Shame of Gay Pride Month 2009.06.29 Becky C.
- Michael Jackson—The Androgynous Black Elvis 2009.06.26 Becky C.
- Don't Cry for Mark Sanford Argentina 2009.06.24 Becky C.
- Ed McMahon & the Last Hot Dog in Lowell 2009.06.23 Becky C.
- Minding Our Own Business in Iran 2009.06.22 Becky C.
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The Onion
- American Voices: U.S. To Hold Peace Talks With Taliban 2013.06.19
- Nation Currently More Sympathetic To Demise Of Planet Krypton Than Plight Of Syria 2013.06.19
- New Documentary To Finally Shed Light On Nation’s Fast Food Chains 2013.06.19
- After One Realizes Methadone Clinic Nearby, Behavior Around City Block Makes Sense 2013.06.19
- Ecstatic American Indians Praise 'The Lone Ranger' 2013.06.19
- ESPN Thinks It Can Just Casually Call Something 'Confed Cup' 2013.06.19
- Fully Leveled-Up Video Game Character Marvels At How Far He's Come 2013.06.19
- Audience At Press Conference Relieved To Hear Steps Will Be Taken 2013.06.19
- Kidnapping Going Pretty Smoothly 2013.06.19
- U.S. Citizenry Admits It Could Kind Of Go For Charismatic Authoritarian Dictator 2013.06.19
- American Voices: Study: Media Biased In Support Of Gay Marriage 2013.06.19
- American Voices: Supreme Court Blocks Arizona Voter ID Law 2013.06.18
- Slideshow: 8 People Having A Way Better Day Than You, Although Perhaps It Is Reckless To Make A Snap Judgement About Another Person’s Life Based Solely On An Image 2013.06.18
- Ahmadinejad Signs On As Dean At Sarah Lawrence 2013.06.18
- Nation Admits It Always A Little Bored By Whole Jimmy Hoffa Thing 2013.06.18
- Italy, Japan Advance To G8 Finals 2013.06.18
- [video] Will Season Four Of ‘Downton Abbey’ Finally Show The Wizards Using Their Powers? 2013.06.18
- Syrian Rebels, Government Think It’s About Time To Call Syria A Day 2013.06.18
- NBA Experts Rule Out All The Things NBA Finals Won’t Come Down To 2013.06.18
- Financial Sector Thinks It’s About Ready To Ruin World Again 2013.06.18
Pro Libertate
- Joseph Weekley: Self-Pitying Stormtrooper 2013.06.20 William N. Grigg
- Coming Soon: "Anti-Discrimination" Drone Strikes? 2013.06.09 William N. Grigg
- The FBI: An American Cheka 2013.06.03 William N. Grigg
- The Protected Predator Class 2013.05.26 William N. Grigg
- The Terror Cartel Strikes in Idaho 2013.05.17 William N. Grigg
- The Persecution of Rita Hutchens 2013.05.12 William N. Grigg
- Sheriff Bradshaw and the Palm Beach County Psihuska 2013.05.05 William N. Grigg
- When Homeland Security Theater goes Off-Script 2013.04.24 William N. Grigg
- Nationalizing Children 2013.04.07 William N. Grigg
- "State Control": What the UN Firearms Treaty is All About 2013.04.03 William N. Grigg
- Welcome to Sulphur Springs, Where the Police Chief is a Murderer 2013.03.28 William N. Grigg
- Resistance is Dangerous; Submission is Frequently Fatal 2013.03.24 William N. Grigg
- "Ominous Threats" and Murderous Zeal 2013.03.15 William N. Grigg
- The Stalinist in the White House 2013.03.06 William N. Grigg
- "For Your Own Protection" 2013.03.06 William N. Grigg
- Ed Flynn: Milwaukee Crime Lord, Citizen Disarmament Advocate 2013.02.28 William N. Grigg
- "No Hesitation" 2013.02.21 William N. Grigg
- Officer Safety Uber Alles: Christopher Dorner and the "Rickoverian Paradox" 2013.02.11 William N. Grigg
- "Gun Violence": The "National Conversation" We Won't Have 2013.01.31 William N. Grigg
- Why is it a “Crime” to Disarm a Uniformed Aggressor? 2013.01.28 William N. Grigg
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The Agitator
- I’ve Moved 2012.11.20 Radley Balko
- Saturday Links 2012.11.17 Radley Balko
- Scenes from Militarized America 2012.11.16 Radley Balko
- Morning Links 2012.11.15 Radley Balko
- Is America Getting Less Punitive? 2012.11.14 Radley Balko
- Morning Links 2012.11.14 Radley Balko
- Not a War on Patients 2012.11.14 Radley Balko
- World Press Photos of the Year 2012.11.12 Radley Balko
- It Isn’t a Crime When the Government Does It 2012.11.12 Radley Balko
- Headlines 2012.11.12 Radley Balko
- Milton Friedman, the War on Drugs, and Last Tuesday Night 2012.11.09 Radley Balko
- The New Professionalism 2012.11.09 Radley Balko
- Morning Links 2012.11.09 Radley Balko
- Steven Hayne Admits to Perjury 2012.11.06 Radley Balko
- Morning Links 2012.11.06 Radley Balko
- Mountain Barking 2012.11.05 Radley Balko
- Reminder: The Media Isn’t Liberal, It’s Statist 2012.11.05 Radley Balko
- Prediction 2012.11.03 Radley Balko
- Five-Star Fridays: Another Saturday Edition 2012.11.03 Radley Balko
- New at HuffPost: SCOTUS Goes to the Dogs 2012.11.02 Radley Balko
Loretta Nall
- Compliance through pain 2012.06.11 noreply@blogger.com (Loretta Nall)
- Fringe candidates party on beyond the mainstream 2012.03.09 noreply@blogger.com (Loretta Nall)
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- Medical Marijuana bill filed in Alabama House 2012.01.13 noreply@blogger.com (Loretta Nall)
- The Lucifer Pig 2011.10.11 noreply@blogger.com (Loretta Nall)
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- Fake Reefer Madness 2011.09.30 noreply@blogger.com (Loretta Nall)
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- Federal Marijuana Legalization Bill Introduced in US House 2011.06.24 noreply@blogger.com (Loretta Nall)
- Books you HAVE to read 2011.06.06 noreply@blogger.com (Loretta Nall)
Hit & Run
- James Gandolfini, R.I.P 2013.06.20 Peter Suderman
- Rand Paul: How Scary is He? 2013.06.20 Brian Doherty
- Proposed Citizens United 'Fix' Strips Rights From Newspapers, TV Stations and Advocacy Groups 2013.06.19 J.D. Tuccille
- American Medical Association: Call Obesity a Disease 2013.06.19 Scott Shackford
- Former New Brunswick Internal Affairs Chief Indicted For Mishandling Dozens of Investigations 2013.06.19 Ed Krayewski
- Monsanto Crop Biotechnology Reseacher is Among World Food Prize Laureates 2013.06.19 Ronald Bailey
- Libertarian Leads Effort for Gay Marriage Recognition in Arizona 2013.06.19 Scott Shackford
- Obama Finds Friendly Audience in Berlin, Online Poker a Lifesaver for Pakistani Child, Hoffa Hunt Comes Up Empty Again: P.M. Links 2013.06.19 Scott Shackford
- Peter Suderman on Obamacare's Absurdities 2013.06.19
- "Why Democrats Love to Spy on Americans": The Late Michael Hastings' Last 2013.06.19 Brian Doherty
- Sushi Rice, Catfish, and Other Farm Bill Winners 2013.06.19 Katherine Mangu-Ward
- Nick Gillespie Talks NSA Surveillance on Cavuto 2013.06.19 Nick Gillespie
- The Conquest of Northern Idaho 2013.06.19 Jesse Walker
- Audit the IRS Rally: "Hey Boehner Try Growen a Pair!!" 2013.06.19 Nick Gillespie
- Cameron Says UK Government Can Arm Rebels in Syria Without Vote in House of Commons 2013.06.19 Matthew Feeney
- Fed Says QE Infinity To Keep on Going, For Now 2013.06.19 Peter Suderman
- Registration Open for the Network of enlightened Women (NeW) National Conference 2013.06.19
- Lindsey Graham, on Americans’ Relationship With Government: 'You have the right to come back for more' 2013.06.19 Matt Welch
- Russian Duma Votes to Ban Gay Adoption for Foreigners 2013.06.19 Guy Bentley
- Gun Manufacturers, Retailers Set Record Sales with New Buyers 2013.06.19 Zenon Evans
The Beacon
- Hospital Pricing Strategies 2013.06.19 John C. Goodman
- The Pro-Liberty Message in Man of Steel 2013.06.18 Sam Staley
- SCOTUS Decision Offers Hope to Farmers Wanting Economic Freedom 2013.06.18 Lawrence J. McQuillan
- The Stalinization of Amerika 2013.06.17 Mary Theroux
- Hospital Care That Is Priceless 2013.06.17 John C. Goodman
- Robert William Fogel (July 1, 1926 – June 11, 2013) 2013.06.16 Robert Higgs
- Note to Gov. Brown on Medical Liability Law: If It Ain’t Broken, Don’t Operate 2013.06.12 Lawrence J. McQuillan
- Doctors Should Rethink “Costless” Medical Ethics 2013.06.12 John C. Goodman
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- A brief note on Dick Cheney 2013.06.19 KN@PPSTER
- Why Do They Lie Like That? 2013.06.18 KN@PPSTER
- Suggestion for Feinstein, Nelson ... 2013.06.10 KN@PPSTER
- Google. Feh. 2013.06.10 KN@PPSTER
- Too Light for a Paperweight, Isn't It? 2013.06.04 KN@PPSTER
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- A Snail, Crawling on the Edge of a Straight Razor ... 2013.05.29 KN@PPSTER
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- Game Over for the Gun-Grabbers 2013.05.07 KN@PPSTER
- There Oughtta Be A Law ... 2013.05.02 KN@PPSTER
- Sarin Wrap 2013.05.01 KN@PPSTER
- Idiot Pol of the Month 2013.04.28 KN@PPSTER
The Delaware Libertarian
- Joe Miro thinks anti-discrimination should only happen when it is cheap or free 2013.06.19 Steve Newton
- Sidewalks not students: our General Assembly at work 2013.06.19 Steve Newton
- Oops. So much for the Earl Jacques "lone legislator" theory of HB 165 2013.06.19 Steve Newton
- Westboro Church coming to Delaware to protest marriage equality! 2013.06.19 Steve Newton
- What you need to know before you believe the sky is falling in DE teacher prep 2013.06.19 Steve Newton
- The key to success is getting your press releases published as news 2013.06.19 Steve Newton
- Obama administration to Europe: your military spending is too low 2013.06.18 Steve Newton
- That dagger in Pete Schwarzkopf's back ... 2013.06.18 Steve Newton
- President Obama auditions for SNL as parody of himself 2013.06.18 Steve Newton
- What the rush toward Obamacare means to Delaware patients with spinal problems 2013.06.18 Steve Newton
- Educating the wealthy at public expense: what the United States is good at 2013.06.18 Steve Newton
- Let's just buy the News Journal a big, fuzzy 1970s style pimp hat ... 2013.06.17 Steve Newton
- Who knew? Jake of "Body by Jake" has a libertarian philanthropic streak ... 2013.06.16 Steve Newton
- Government regulations reducing your safety on the road ... 2013.06.16 Steve Newton
- Governor Markell creates private working group to execute puppies ... 2013.06.16 Steve Newton
- "Right to work" doesn't mean what you think when the government is involved 2013.06.15 Steve Newton
- Pentagon afraid the Bradley Manning leaked videos will teach Al Qaeda how to kill Reuters journalists like we do 2013.06.14 Steve Newton
- New Journal so far in the tank for Markell that they no longer even see the bubbles rise 2013.06.14 Steve Newton
- Why you need to subscribe to send the Libertarian Party of Delaware $10 a month 2013.06.14 Steve Newton
- Libertarians: support Delaware midwives! 2013.06.13 Steve Newton
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Classically Liberal
- Paranoid Parents and the Fear of Walking to School 2012.04.21 blog owner
- America's worst DA stripped of law license. 2012.04.12 blog owner
- Commenting Still Screwed UP 2012.04.12 blog owner
- Apologies 2012.04.12 blog owner
- A Caveat About the Election for Libertarians 2012.03.09 blog owner
- God's Own Party Run Amok 2012.03.06 blog owner
- Charles Koch and His Threat to Libertarianism 2012.03.02 blog owner
- That Selfish, Greedy Ayn Rand Does It Again. 2012.03.01 blog owner
- Woman Calls Cops on Scam—They Kill Her Dog Instead 2012.02.28 blog owner
- Separation of Church and State Makes Santorum Vomit 2012.02.26 blog owner
- Faked Scandal Against Warming Skeptics Backfires Badly. 2012.02.21 blog owner
- The Mind-Boggling Standards of Modern Catholicism 2012.02.20 blog owner
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- Sad numbers prove Religious Right wrong. 2012.02.14 blog owner
- Beware, diabetes cause police brutality. 2012.02.09 blog owner
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Ballot Access News
- North Carolina House Passes Bill to End State Income Tax Check-off for Political Parties 2013.06.20 Richard Winger
- Arizona Governor Signs Restrictive Ballot Access Bill 2013.06.19 Richard Winger
- More Briefs Filed in Rubin v Bowen, the Minor Party Lawsuit on Top-two Election System 2013.06.19 Richard Winger
- Mike Duggan Won’t Appeal Adverse Ballot Access Ruling to Michigan Supreme Court 2013.06.19 Richard Winger
- Some Arizona Republican Legislators Admit They Passed Election Restriction to Keep Libertarians Off Ballot 2013.06.19 Richard Winger
- Despite Being Removed from the Wyoming Registration Form, Americans Elect Party and Country Party Gain Registered Voters 2013.06.19 Richard Winger
- Virginia Does Not Ask for Rehearing en Banc, in Case over Petitioner Residency 2013.06.19 Richard Winger
- Arizona Republic Carries Article Explaining How Arizona Omnibus Election Law Bill Injures Minor Parties 2013.06.19 Richard Winger
- Abortion Vote in U.S. House Suggests Type of Primary Does Not Influence Congressional Behavior 2013.06.19 Richard Winger
- California Ballot Access Bill Moves Ahead 2013.06.19 Richard Winger
Homeland Stupidity
- Government Spying: Should We Be Shocked? 2013.06.10 Ron Paul
- Iraq Collapse Shows Bankruptcy of Interventionism 2013.06.02 Ron Paul
- ‘Common Core’ Nationalizes and Dumbs Down Public School Curriculum 2013.05.27 Ron Paul
- The IRS’s Job Is To Violate Our Liberties 2013.05.20 Ron Paul
- What No One Wants to Hear About Benghazi 2013.05.13 Ron Paul
- Federal Reserve Blows More Bubbles 2013.05.07 Ron Paul
- Liberty Was Also Attacked in Boston 2013.04.28 Ron Paul
- Why Can’t We All Travel To Cuba? 2013.04.14 Ron Paul
- Homeschooling: The Future of Liberty 2013.04.07 Ron Paul
- A Republic, Not a Democracy 2012.09.11 Ron Paul
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  Post Office Annoyance :: Private Mailbox :: College Experience :: Eustace Conway Mountain Man Update :: Raw Milk Dealer Sentenced to No Jail :: American Exceptionalism :: Responsible Heroin Addict? :: Communicating Liberty :: Diamonds are a sham. :: How the diamond obsession started. :: Cop Shoots Five Kittens, Is Exonerated
  ian@freetalklive.com (The FTL Crew)
- Edgington Post; Radley Balko 2013-06-13 2013.06.13
  Radley Balko teases his new book Rise of the Warrior Cop: The Militarization of America's Police Forces. Pre-order now! http://www.amazon.com/Rise-Warrior-Cop-Militarization-Americas/dp/1610392116/ref=pd_sim_sbs_b_1&tag=freetalklive-20
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  Pastry Gun Update :: FTL Facebook Ban :: Facebook Prude :: FTL on Google Plus :: Tortuous Interference :: Don't Play in Traffic :: Darryl Wins A Parking Ticket Trial :: Enforcers vs Politicians :: Aura of Legitimacy :: Soldiers and Murderers :: The Long View :: Trusting Junkies :: Junkie Stories :: Snitch App
  ian@freetalklive.com (The FTL Crew)
- Edgington Post; Joe Quirk 2013-06-12 2013.06.12
  Joe Quirk of Sea Steading talks about upcoming plans for a book! http://www.seasteading.org/
  ian@freetalklive.com (The FTL Crew)
- FTL2013-06-11 2013.06.12
  Robin Hood :: Police Quotas :: Speeding and Red Light Cameras :: Departmental Average :: Counter-Suing :: Petty Bailiffs :: Mental Institutions :: California Mental Ward :: Passport with no Social Security Number :: Sexy Meter Maids Under Attack :: Freedom to Travel :: Privacy Discussion :: Shocking Story from the Arab Spring :: Fascist Country
  ian@freetalklive.com (The FTL Crew)
- FTL2013-06-10 2013.06.11
  Edward Snowden, Heroic Former Agent For the NSA Reveals Secrets, Now on the Run :: Fear of Standing Up :: Media Control :: What are you willing to risk for liberty? :: Snowden Hater Article :: Corporations and the State :: Take to the Streets? :: Protecting Rights
  ian@freetalklive.com (The FTL Crew)
- FTL2013-06-09 2013.06.10
  PRISM government spying scandal :: Marc Emery in solitary confinement :: Hypochondria :: Cognitive Behavioral Therapy :: Edward Snowden blows whistle on the NSA :: Online privacy :: NSA spying :: Computer security :: PorcFest :: Common cognitive distortions :: Confessions of a former drone pilot
  ian@freetalklive.com (The FTL Crew)
- FTL2013-06-08 2013.06.09
  Heroic Jury Nullification Activist Mark Schmidter Joins us Fresh Out of Jail :: Free Speech and Jury Nullification :: George Bush Mission Accomplished Banner Hanger Calls In :: FIJA Outreach :: Adam Kokesh Arrested for Smoking Up in Front of White House - He Joins Us Fresh Out of Custody :: Rich Paul Sentenced :: FBI Investigating Free State Project :: Ridic […]
  ian@freetalklive.com (The FTL Crew)
- FTL2013-06-07 2013.06.08
  Rich Paul joins us live from jail, post sentencing. :: Gateway Drug Fallacy :: Drug Court :: Public Speaking :: Grand Jury Refuses to Indict Teen Rapper :: Vermont Decriminalizes Cannabis :: Cannabis Cancer Cure? :: Legalization and Prices in California :: Drone Operator Tells His Story :: Heroic, Sexy Meter Maids :: Terrorism and Blowback
  ian@freetalklive.com (The FTL Crew)
- FTL2013-06-06 2013.06.07
  Free Talk Live with Julia, Johnson, Puke & Jay
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- FTL2013-06-05 2013.06.06
  Wife of State Senator Posts "Warning to Women" on Facebook :: Baby Sex Cakes :: "Vision of a Restorative State" :: Organ Transplants :: Wyoming Teen Builds Nuclear Reactor for Science Fair :: NY Law Would Make it Illegal to "Annoy" A Cop :: NSA Collecting Data from Verizon
  ian@freetalklive.com (The FTL Crew)
- Ian Interviewed on Armstrong and Getty 2013-06-05 2013.06.05
  Ian joins Armstrong and Getty on their morning show in California - including San Francisco, San Diego, and Sacremento - to discuss Robin Hooding!
  ian@freetalklive.com (The FTL Crew)
- FTL2013-06-04 2013.06.05
  Libertarianism and Voluntarism :: Cannabis Civil Disobedience :: Hypocritical Robin Hood Opponents :: Tracker Dave Ridley? :: Conspiracy Theory Guy :: Bible Fiction :: Bradley Manning Trial Thoughts from Julian Assange :: Reasons to Move to NH :: The Enemy of the US is Us :: Insanity of Violence :: XXXX Games :: JRGOTW
  ian@freetalklive.com (The FTL Crew)
- Edgington Post; Brian McNicoll 2013-06-04 2013.06.04
  Brian McNicoll of the Competitive Enterprise Institute tells all about EPA Director Jackson's internet sock-puppet!
  ian@freetalklive.com (The FTL Crew)
- FTL2013-06-03 2013.06.04
  Raw Milk Farmer Hershberger Threatened With Bail Revokage :: Agriculture Bureaucrat Calls In :: Regulatory Gray Area :: Should Derrick J File Criminal Charges? :: Student Loans :: Masked Driving :: Magic Court Words Theory :: Rich Paul Live From Jail :: Drug Court :: What is happening in Istanbul? :: School Iris Scans
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